Heater Motor, S1, Alternative - Revision history

Chopper at 17:12, 1 April 2015

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	And finally I had to laugh as the LR motor comes mounted with rubber insulators clearly to dampen out the motor vibration..... A Land Rover Defender with more of a nod to noise reduction than the original S1. Got to love Lotus.		And finally I had to laugh as the LR motor comes mounted with rubber insulators clearly to dampen out the motor vibration..... A Land Rover Defender with more of a nod to noise reduction than the original S1. Got to love Lotus.



			'''NOTE''' Since writing this article, another SELOCer has discovered the LR motor (ie it still has the flanges in the wrong place compared to the OEM S1 motor), can be bought directly from this site.

			http://www.thhs.co.uk/products/general-parts/motors/single-shafted-motors/mp5620fr/

			Gate Motor 12v MP5620 from THSS Ltd

			At Feb 2014 prices, it was £89. Dearer than the LR part (and without a fan), but that may change in the future

			I've not used this motor, but it does look like the LR part

Chopper at 17:07, 1 April 2015

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			You can clearly see the motor mounting flange difference in the photos above

	You can clearly see the motor mounting flange difference in the ~~pictures~~ above

	It is not possibe to use the LR mounting plate coupled/bolted directly to the S1 fan case as the extra thickness of the LR mounting plate fouls the chassis in the front compartment. ((( Only discoverable when you try to refit the whole heater assy to back into the car for the first time !!!!! ))).		It is not possibe to use the LR mounting plate coupled/bolted directly to the S1 fan case as the extra thickness of the LR mounting plate fouls the chassis in the front compartment. ((( Only discoverable when you try to refit the whole heater assy to back into the car for the first time !!!!! ))).
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	Instead remove the LR motor and fan from the mounting plate (which can be discarded) and mount the LR motor to the existing fan case.		Instead remove the LR motor and fan from the mounting plate (which can be discarded) and mount the LR motor to the existing fan case.

	The LR motor must be mounted with the mounting flanges in a "Y" shape, as shown in ~~this picture~~ (~~NOTE.~~ The LR mounting plate is clearly still attached in this photo).		The LR motor must be mounted with the mounting flanges in a "Y" shape, as shown in the photo below ( The LR mounting plate is clearly still attached in this photo).

	~~'''NOTE~~.~~''' If you try to use the existing motor mounting holes in the fan case to mount the~~ LR ~~motor, the LR motor mounting flanges will foul the chassis leg as above.~~		[[File:Blower 070.JPG\|thumb\|none\|Position of LR Motor Flanges wrt S1 Fan Case]]
	~~((( Yes. I did have to strip the whole thing out for a third attempt at fitting !!!!!! ))))~~


	~~[[File:Blower 070~~.~~JPG\|thumb\|none\|Position of~~ LR ~~Motor Flanges wrt S1 Fan Case]]~~		'''NOTE.''' If you try to use the existing motor mounting holes in the fan case to mount the LR motor, the LR motor mounting flanges will once more foul the chassis leg.
			((( Yes. I did have to strip the whole thing out for a third attempt at fitting !!!!!! ))))


	New mounting holes for the LR motor flanges require to be drilled in the fan case and spacers are ~~need~~ to compensate for the difference in mounting flange positions between the OEM motor and the LR motor		New mounting holes for the LR motor flanges require to be drilled in the fan case and spacers are required to compensate for the difference in mounting flange positions between the OEM motor and the LR motor


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	The spacers I used were some thick walled tubing I had to hand. They need to be 30mm high, (shorter than ~25mm the plastic fan fouls the heater matrix assy, longer than 35mm the plastic fan fouls the fan case).		The spacers I used were some thick walled tubing I had to hand. They need to be 30mm high, (shorter than ~25mm the plastic fan fouls the heater matrix assy, longer than 35mm the plastic fan fouls the fan case).

	~~'''~~LR Motor ~~Mounter~~ and Spaced on Fan ~~Box'''~~		[[File:Blower 0200.JPG\|thumb\|none\|LR Motor Mounted and Spaced on Fan Case]]

	~~[[File:Blower 0200~~.~~JPG\|thumb]]~~		An alternative is to use nylon or plastic spacers readily available on ebay.

	~~An alternative is to use nylon or plastic spacers readily available on ebay.~~

	The LR motor comes with a molded on connector (you can see it on some of the photos above) I could not find supply of a loose mating half so cut it off and wired a waterproof Amp Tyco 2 pin Superseal Waterproof connector in its place. Good for 25A		The LR motor comes with a molded on connector (you can see it on some of the photos above). I could not find supply of a loose mating half so cut it off and wired a waterproof Amp Tyco 2 pin Superseal Waterproof connector in its place. Good for 25A and used on lots of automotive applications

	http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321418356615		http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321418356615
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	The black wire from the LR motor should be connected to +12v (orange) from the fan resistor cable		The black wire from the LR motor should be connected to +12v (orange) from the fan resistor cable

	RTC4200 is available from many many LR Parts stockists online/ebay. It's manufactured by Britparts and will cost about £80 inc VAT (Feb 2014). You can buy the same part from LR for double that amount !!!! I checked and the LR part uses the same GATES motor and is most probably supplied by Britparts.		The LR RTC4200 assembly is available from many many LR Parts stockists online/ebay. It's manufactured by Britparts and will cost about £80 inc VAT (Feb 2014). You can buy the same part from LR for double that amount !!!! I checked and the LR part uses the same GATES motor and is most probably supplied by Britparts.

	If your desperate for cheapness, there must be a lot of LR Defenders sitting in scrap yards, but anyone who has taken out an S1 heater matrix knows its a pig of a job , so I'd seriously suggest you do it once and just put a new motor in.		If your desperate for cheapness, there must be a lot of LR Defenders sitting in scrap yards, but anyone who has taken out an S1 heater matrix knows its a pig of a job , so I'd seriously suggest you do it once and just put a new motor in.

	And finally I had to laugh as the LR motor comes mounted with rubber insulators clearly to dampen out the motor vibration..... A Land Rover Defender with more of a nod to noise reduction than the original S1. Got to love Lotus.		And finally I had to laugh as the LR motor comes mounted with rubber insulators clearly to dampen out the motor vibration..... A Land Rover Defender with more of a nod to noise reduction than the original S1. Got to love Lotus.

Chopper at 17:00, 1 April 2015

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	You can clearly see the motor mounting flange difference in the pictures above		You can clearly see the motor mounting flange difference in the pictures above

	It is not possibe to use the LR mounting plate coupled/bolted directly to the S1 ~~Fan Box~~ as the extra thickness of the LR mounting plate fouls the chassis in the front compartment. ((( Only discoverable when you try to refit the whole heater assy to back into the car~~. :-(~~ !!!!! ))).		It is not possibe to use the LR mounting plate coupled/bolted directly to the S1 fan case as the extra thickness of the LR mounting plate fouls the chassis in the front compartment. ((( Only discoverable when you try to refit the whole heater assy to back into the car for the first time !!!!! ))).

	Instead remove the LR motor and fan from the mounting plate (which can be discarded) and mount the LR motor to the existing fan case.		Instead remove the LR motor and fan from the mounting plate (which can be discarded) and mount the LR motor to the existing fan case.

	The LR motor must be mounted with the mounting flanges in a "Y" shape, as shown in this picture (NOTE. The LR mounting plate is clearly still attached in this photo). If you try to use the existing motor mounting holes in the fan ~~box~~ to mount the LR motor, the LR motor mounting flanges will foul the chassis leg as above.		The LR motor must be mounted with the mounting flanges in a "Y" shape, as shown in this picture (NOTE. The LR mounting plate is clearly still attached in this photo).

			'''NOTE.''' If you try to use the existing motor mounting holes in the fan case to mount the LR motor, the LR motor mounting flanges will foul the chassis leg as above.
	((( Yes. I did have to strip the whole thing out for a third attempt at fitting !!!!!! ))))		((( Yes. I did have to strip the whole thing out for a third attempt at fitting !!!!!! ))))

	~~'''Position of New Motor Flanges wrt Existing Fan Box'''~~
	[[File:Blower 070.JPG\|thumb]]		[[File:Blower 070.JPG\|thumb\|none\|Position of LR Motor Flanges wrt S1 Fan Case]]



	New mounting holes for the LR motor flanges require to be drilled in the fan case and spacers are need to compensate for the difference in mounting flange positions between the OEM motor and the LR motor		New mounting holes for the LR motor flanges require to be drilled in the fan case and spacers are need to compensate for the difference in mounting flange positions between the OEM motor and the LR motor

Chopper at 16:56, 1 April 2015

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			[[File:Blower 030.JPG\|thumb\|none\|LR Assy on LHS. S1 Assy on RHS]]

	~~'''LR Assy on Left. S1 Assy on Right'''~~		[[File:Blower 040.JPG\|thumb\|none\|OEM S1 Motor on LHS. LR Motor on RHS]]

	[[File:Blower ~~030~~.JPG\|thumb\|none\|~~LR Assy~~ on LHS. ~~S1 Assy~~ on RHS]]

	~~[[File:Blower 030.JPG\|thumb]]~~

	~~'''OEM Motor on Left. LR Motor on Right'''~~

	~~[[File:Blower 040.JPG\|thumb]]~~

	You can clearly see the motor mounting flange difference in the pictures above		You can clearly see the motor mounting flange difference in the pictures above

Chopper at 16:55, 1 April 2015

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	Buying one of these from any of the on-line LR parts specialist/ebay, gets you a motor manufactured by GATES (as is the OEM Lotus one) with a new plastic fan which also fits the Lotus, and the LR mounting plate (to be discarded). The LR motor is virtually identical to that on the S1, bar the welded on mounting flanges are in a different place.		Buying one of these from any of the on-line LR parts specialist/ebay, gets you a motor manufactured by GATES (as is the OEM Lotus one) with a new plastic fan which also fits the Lotus, and the LR mounting plate (to be discarded). The LR motor is virtually identical to that on the S1, bar the welded on mounting flanges are in a different place.

	~~'''S1 Fan Case on Left. LR RTC4200 on Right'''~~

	[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb\|none\|S1 Fan Case on LHS. LR RTC4200 on RHS]]		[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb\|none\|S1 Fan Case on LHS. LR RTC4200 on RHS]]
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	'''LR Assy on Left. S1 Assy on Right'''		'''LR Assy on Left. S1 Assy on Right'''

			[[File:Blower 030.JPG\|thumb\|none\|LR Assy on LHS. S1 Assy on RHS]]

	[[File:Blower 030.JPG\|thumb]]		[[File:Blower 030.JPG\|thumb]]

Chopper at 16:54, 1 April 2015

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	'''S1 Fan Case on Left. LR RTC4200 on Right'''		'''S1 Fan Case on Left. LR RTC4200 on Right'''

	[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb\|none\|S1 Fan Case LHS LR RTC4200 RHS]]		[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb\|none\|S1 Fan Case on LHS. LR RTC4200 on RHS]]
			[[File:Blower 020.JPG\|thumb\|none\|S1 Fan Case on LHS. LR RTC4200 on RHS]]


	~~[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb]]~~
	~~[[File:Blower 020.JPG\|thumb]]~~

	'''LR Assy on Left. S1 Assy on Right'''		'''LR Assy on Left. S1 Assy on Right'''

Chopper at 16:52, 1 April 2015

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	'''S1 Fan Case on Left. LR RTC4200 on Right'''		'''S1 Fan Case on Left. LR RTC4200 on Right'''

			[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb\|none\|S1 Fan Case LHS LR RTC4200 RHS]]


	[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb]]		[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb]]

Chopper at 16:47, 1 April 2015

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	'''S1 Fan Case on Left. LR RTC4200 on Right'''		'''S1 Fan Case on Left. LR RTC4200 on Right'''

	[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb]]		[[File:Blower 010.JPG\|thumb]]
	[[File:Blower 020.JPG\|thumb]]		[[File:Blower 020.JPG\|thumb]]

	'''LR Assy on Left. S1 Assy on Right'''		'''LR Assy on Left. S1 Assy on Right'''

	[[File:Blower 030.JPG\|thumb]]		[[File:Blower 030.JPG\|thumb]]

	'''OEM Motor on Left. LR Motor on Right'''		'''OEM Motor on Left. LR Motor on Right'''

	[[File:Blower 040.JPG\|thumb]]		[[File:Blower 040.JPG\|thumb]]

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'''S1 Alternative Heater Blower Motor'''

As the OEM motor from the S1 Heater Assy is no longer available (and was £160 from Lotus when it was), an alternative is to use the blower motor assy from an 1990's Landrover Defender (RHD to chassis LA939975). Part number is RTC4200.

Buying one of these from any of the on-line LR parts specialist/ebay, gets you a motor manufactured by GATES (as is the OEM Lotus one) with a new plastic fan which also fits the Lotus, and the LR mounting plate (to be discarded). The LR motor is virtually identical to that on the S1, bar the welded on mounting flanges are in a different place.

'''S1 Fan Case on Left. LR RTC4200 on Right'''
[[File:Blower 010.JPG|thumb]]
[[File:Blower 020.JPG|thumb]]

'''LR Assy on Left. S1 Assy on Right'''
[[File:Blower 030.JPG|thumb]]

'''OEM Motor on Left. LR Motor on Right'''
[[File:Blower 040.JPG|thumb]]

You can clearly see the motor mounting flange difference in the pictures above

It is not possibe to use the LR mounting plate coupled/bolted directly to the S1 Fan Box as the extra thickness of the LR mounting plate fouls the chassis in the front compartment. ((( Only discoverable when you try to refit the whole heater assy to back into the car. :-( !!!!! ))).

Instead remove the LR motor and fan from the mounting plate (which can be discarded) and mount the LR motor to the existing fan case.

The LR motor must be mounted with the mounting flanges in a "Y" shape, as shown in this picture (NOTE. The LR mounting plate is clearly still attached in this photo). If you try to use the existing motor mounting holes in the fan box to mount the LR motor, the LR motor mounting flanges will foul the chassis leg as above.
((( Yes. I did have to strip the whole thing out for a third attempt at fitting !!!!!! ))))

'''Position of New Motor Flanges wrt Existing Fan Box'''
[[File:Blower 070.JPG|thumb]]

New mounting holes for the LR motor flanges require to be drilled in the fan case and spacers are need to compensate for the difference in mounting flange positions between the OEM motor and the LR motor

The OEM motor was rivited to the fan case. Once new holes were drilled, I used M6x40 bolts from the fan casing outwards and nyloc nuts to bolt the motor to the spacers.

The spacers I used were some thick walled tubing I had to hand. They need to be 30mm high, (shorter than ~25mm the plastic fan fouls the heater matrix assy, longer than 35mm the plastic fan fouls the fan case).

'''LR Motor Mounter and Spaced on Fan Box'''

[[File:Blower 0200.JPG|thumb]]

An alternative is to use nylon or plastic spacers readily available on ebay.

The LR motor comes with a molded on connector (you can see it on some of the photos above) I could not find supply of a loose mating half so cut it off and wired a waterproof Amp Tyco 2 pin Superseal Waterproof connector in its place. Good for 25A

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321418356615

The black wire from the LR motor should be connected to +12v (orange) from the fan resistor cable

RTC4200 is available from many many LR Parts stockists online/ebay. It's manufactured by Britparts and will cost about £80 inc VAT (Feb 2014). You can buy the same part from LR for double that amount !!!! I checked and the LR part uses the same GATES motor and is most probably supplied by Britparts.

If your desperate for cheapness, there must be a lot of LR Defenders sitting in scrap yards, but anyone who has taken out an S1 heater matrix knows its a pig of a job , so I'd seriously suggest you do it once and just put a new motor in.

And finally I had to laugh as the LR motor comes mounted with rubber insulators clearly to dampen out the motor vibration..... A Land Rover Defender with more of a nod to noise reduction than the original S1. Got to love Lotus.