Radiator Fan Manual Switch S2 - Revision history

Giorgio at 08:24, 17 July 2013

2013-07-17T08:24:35Z

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	On the basis that I dont want to kill both fans with too much high speed running I have stuck with plan (B) to override fan 2 only and ran a wire from the Blue/Yellow connection to an SPST switch on the dash connected to earth and life is good.		On the basis that I dont want to kill both fans with too much high speed running I have stuck with plan (B) to override fan 2 only and ran a wire from the Blue/Yellow connection to an SPST switch on the dash connected to earth and life is good.




			by jumping together pin 60 + 67 (blue silver, blue yellow)

			you can have the fan always running at full speed, (102° or AC button on)

			this mod doesn't show (at least on my car) any obd error and the fan will stop as the car is switched of.

			i'm using in the end the ac button to control the fan.

	[[Category:Cooling]]		[[Category:Cooling]]

hbaumhardt at 09:38, 3 March 2011

2011-03-03T09:38:30Z

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	\|- style="background-color:#fed200; face:bold;"		\|- style="background-color:#fed200; face:bold;"
	\| Earth Pin \|\| Wire \|\| Below 103C \|\| Above 103C \|\| OBD Code		\| Earth Pin \|\| Wire \|\| Below 103C \|\| Above 103C \|\| Above 108C \|\| OBD Code
	\|-		\|-
	\| (A) 2-2 \|\| Blue/Silver \|\| ~~Fans~~ 1&2 Low \|\| ~~Fans~~ 1&2 Low \|\| none		\| (A) 2-2 \|\| Blue/Silver \|\| Fan 1&2 Low \|\| Fan 1&2 Low \|\| ? \|\| none
	\|-		\|-
	\| (B) 2-3 \|\| Blue/Yellow \|\| Fan 2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| 1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short		\| (B) 2-3 \|\| Blue/Yellow \|\| Fan 2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| 1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short
	\|-		\|-
	\| (C) 2-2 & 2-3 \|\| As above\|\| ~~Fans~~ 1&2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| 1400 Coolant fan relay 1 short		\| (C) 2-2 & 2-3 \|\| As above\|\| Fan 1&2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| 1400 Coolant fan relay 1 short
	\|-		\|-
	\|}		\|}

hbaumhardt at 11:09, 28 January 2011

2011-01-28T11:09:05Z

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	P1400 ~~S2 Fan~~ 1 ~~Relay Short~~		P1400 Coolant fan relay 1 short

	P1401 ~~S2 Fan~~ 1 ~~Relay Open~~		P1401 Coolant fan relay 1 open

	P1402 ~~S2 Fan~~ 2 ~~Relay Short [unverified]~~		P1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short

	P1403 ~~S2 Fan~~ 2 ~~Relay Open [unverified]~~		P1403 Coolant fan relay 2 open

hbaumhardt at 11:06, 28 January 2011

2011-01-28T11:06:26Z

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	Standard ECU/ECT logic is for both rad fans come on at low power (run in series) at 103C and off at 98C and switch to high power (run in parallel) at 108C. Bouncing between 98 and 103 leaves a lot of heat to soak after a track session and the coolant really wants to be 85 before shutdown.		Standard Lotus K4 ECU/ECT logic is for both rad fans come on at low power (run in series) at 103C and off at 98C and switch to high power (run in parallel) at 108C. Bouncing between 98 and 103 leaves a lot of heat to soak after a track session and the coolant really wants to be 85 before shutdown.

hbaumhardt at 11:06, 28 January 2011

2011-01-28T11:06:06Z

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	Standard ECU/ECT logic is for both rad fans come on at low power (run in series) at 103C and off at 98C and switch to high power (run in parallel) at 108C. Bouncing between 98 and 103 leaves a lot of heat to soak after a track session and the ~~coolent~~ really wants to be 85 before shutdown.		Standard ECU/ECT logic is for both rad fans come on at low power (run in series) at 103C and off at 98C and switch to high power (run in parallel) at 108C. Bouncing between 98 and 103 leaves a lot of heat to soak after a track session and the coolant really wants to be 85 before shutdown.


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	You may have some relays in the relay box (C and D) listed as radiator fans, but the fans will run without them fitted only generating some ~~Fan~~ relay OBD codes;		You may have some relays in the relay box (C and D) listed as radiator fans, but the fans will run without them fitted, only generating some fan relay OBD codes;


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	[[Image: S2_Rad_fan_relay_harness.JPG]]		[[Image: S2_Rad_fan_relay_harness.JPG]]


	Quick test that everything is working OK is start the engine and pop the ECT sensor connector off – both fans run high. Reset and restart from cold idle;		Quick test that everything is working OK is start the engine and pop the ECT sensor connector off – both fans run high. Reset and restart from cold idle;
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	~~The OBD codes are probably the ECU complaining that the fan is running without the ECU telling it to.~~

			1. The OBD codes are probably the ECU complaining that the fan is running without the ECU actually telling it to.

			2. Once you stop earthing the relay(s) normal ECU/ECT fan logic will resume.

			3. In all cases the current draw on the earth wire is less than 0.4a as it is only energising the relays (the Lotus loom uses 0.5mm wire).

	~~In all cases the current draw on the earth wire is less than 0~~.~~4a as it is only energising~~ the relays~~. Also~~ ''' ~~when the relays are earthed~~ the fan(s) will keep running with the ignition off and key out''' until you disconnect the relay earth, so careful how you use this~~. Once you stop earthing the relay(s) normal ECU/ECT fan logic will resume~~.		4. When the relays are earthed ''' the fan(s) will keep running with the ignition off and key out''' until you disconnect the relay earth, so careful how you use this.

hbaumhardt at 11:02, 28 January 2011

2011-01-28T11:02:08Z

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	For short roof K Series ~~S2s~~ fitted with later Bergstrom HVAC systems (without A/C fitted) and 2 radiator fans.		For short roof K Series Lotus Elise S2 fitted with later Bergstrom HVAC systems (without A/C fitted) and 2 radiator fans.

hbaumhardt at 11:01, 28 January 2011

2011-01-28T11:01:34Z

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	{\| border=1 cellpadding=5 align=center		{\| border=1 cellpadding=5 align=center
	\|- style="background-color:#fed200; face:bold;"		\|- style="background-color:#fed200; face:bold;"
	\| Pin \|\| Wire \|\| Below 103C \| Above 103C \|\| OBD Code		\| Earth Pin \|\| Wire \|\| Below 103C \|\| Above 103C \|\| OBD Code
	\|-		\|-
	\| (A) 2-2 \|\| Blue/Silver \|\| Fans 1&2 Low \|\| Fans 1&2 Low \|\| none		\| (A) 2-2 \|\| Blue/Silver \|\| Fans 1&2 Low \|\| Fans 1&2 Low \|\| none
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	\| (B) 2-3 \|\| Blue/Yellow \|\| Fan 2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| 1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short		\| (B) 2-3 \|\| Blue/Yellow \|\| Fan 2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| 1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short
	\|-		\|-
	\| (C) 2-2 & 2-3 \|\| As above\|\| Fans 1&2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| ~~1402~~ Coolant fan relay 1 short		\| (C) 2-2 & 2-3 \|\| As above\|\| Fans 1&2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| 1400 Coolant fan relay 1 short
	\|-		\|-
	\|}		\|}

			The OBD codes are probably the ECU complaining that the fan is running without the ECU telling it to.

	~~A. Earthing pin 2-2 (Blue/Silver wire) at any temp runs fans 1&2 on low power with no OBD codes~~

	B1. Earthing Pin 2-3 (Blue/Yellow wire) below 103C runs Fan 2 on high and generates an OBD code [i]“1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short"[/i] and is probably the ECU complaining about it running without telling it to.

	B1. Earthing Pin 2-3 (Blue/Yellow wire) above 103C (when the ECU is running Fans 1&2 low) runs fan 1&2 on high and generates an OBD code [i]“1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short"[/i] as above, just the ECU complaining.

	~~C. Earthing pins 2-2 and 2-3 at any temp runs Fans 1&2 high but generates OBD code [i]“1400 Coolant fan relay 1 short”[/i] as above, just the ECU complaining.~~

	In all cases the current draw on the earth wire is less than 0.4a as it is only energising the relays. Also ''' when the relays are earthed the fan(s) will keep running with the ignition off and key out''' until you disconnect the relay earth, so careful how you use this. Once you stop earthing the relay(s) normal ECU/ECT fan logic will resume.		In all cases the current draw on the earth wire is less than 0.4a as it is only energising the relays. Also ''' when the relays are earthed the fan(s) will keep running with the ignition off and key out''' until you disconnect the relay earth, so careful how you use this. Once you stop earthing the relay(s) normal ECU/ECT fan logic will resume.

hbaumhardt at 10:59, 28 January 2011

2011-01-28T10:59:46Z

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	Quick test that everything is working OK is start the engine and pop the ECT sensor connector off – both fans run high. Reset and restart from cold idle;		Quick test that everything is working OK is start the engine and pop the ECT sensor connector off – both fans run high. Reset and restart from cold idle;


			{\| border=1 cellpadding=5 align=center
			\|- style="background-color:#fed200; face:bold;"
			\| Pin \|\| Wire \|\| Below 103C \| Above 103C \|\| OBD Code
			\|-
			\| (A) 2-2 \|\| Blue/Silver \|\| Fans 1&2 Low \|\| Fans 1&2 Low \|\| none
			\|-
			\| (B) 2-3 \|\| Blue/Yellow \|\| Fan 2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| 1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short
			\|-
			\| (C) 2-2 & 2-3 \|\| As above\|\| Fans 1&2 high \|\| Fan 1&2 High \|\| 1402 Coolant fan relay 1 short
			\|-
			\|}


	A. Earthing pin 2-2 (Blue/Silver wire) at any temp runs fans 1&2 on low power with no OBD codes		A. Earthing pin 2-2 (Blue/Silver wire) at any temp runs fans 1&2 on low power with no OBD codes


	B1. Earthing Pin 2-3 (Blue/Yellow wire) below 103C runs Fan 2 on high and generates an OBD code [i]“1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short"[/i] and is probably the ECU complaining about it running without telling it to.		B1. Earthing Pin 2-3 (Blue/Yellow wire) below 103C runs Fan 2 on high and generates an OBD code [i]“1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short"[/i] and is probably the ECU complaining about it running without telling it to.


	B1. Earthing Pin 2-3 (Blue/Yellow wire) above 103C (when the ECU is running Fans 1&2 low) runs fan 1&2 on high and generates an OBD code [i]“1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short"[/i] as above, just the ECU complaining.		B1. Earthing Pin 2-3 (Blue/Yellow wire) above 103C (when the ECU is running Fans 1&2 low) runs fan 1&2 on high and generates an OBD code [i]“1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short"[/i] as above, just the ECU complaining.


	C. Earthing pins 2-2 and 2-3 at any temp runs Fans 1&2 high but generates OBD code [i]“1400 Coolant fan relay 1 short”[/i] as above, just the ECU complaining.		C. Earthing pins 2-2 and 2-3 at any temp runs Fans 1&2 high but generates OBD code [i]“1400 Coolant fan relay 1 short”[/i] as above, just the ECU complaining.


	In all cases the current draw on the earth wire is less than 0.4a as it is only energising the relays. Also ''' when the relays are earthed the fan(s) will keep running with the ignition off and key out''' until you disconnect the relay earth, so careful how you use this. Once you stop earthing the relay(s) normal ECU/ECT fan logic will resume.		In all cases the current draw on the earth wire is less than 0.4a as it is only energising the relays. Also ''' when the relays are earthed the fan(s) will keep running with the ignition off and key out''' until you disconnect the relay earth, so careful how you use this. Once you stop earthing the relay(s) normal ECU/ECT fan logic will resume.

hbaumhardt at 10:51, 28 January 2011

2011-01-28T10:51:01Z

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	[~~img=318x306]http~~:~~//gallery.seloc.org/albums/userpics/24232/S2_Rad_Fan_Control_Pins~~.jpg~~[/img~~]		[[Image: S2_Rad_Fan_Relay_control_pins.jpg]]


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	[~~img=402x266]http~~:~~//gallery.seloc.org/albums/userpics/24232/S2_Rad_fan_harness_1~~.JPG~~[/img~~]		[[Image: S2_Rad_fan_relay_harness.JPG]]


	Quick test that everything is working OK is start the engine and pop the ECT sensor connector off – both fans run high. Reset and restart from cold idle;		Quick test that everything is working OK is start the engine and pop the ECT sensor connector off – both fans run high. Reset and restart from cold idle;
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	In all cases the current draw on the earth wire is less than 0.4a as it is only energising the relays. Also when the relays are earthed the fan(s) will keep running with the ignition off and key out until you disconnect the relay earth, so careful how you use this. Once you stop earthing the relay(s) normal ECU/ECT fan logic will resume.		In all cases the current draw on the earth wire is less than 0.4a as it is only energising the relays. Also ''' when the relays are earthed the fan(s) will keep running with the ignition off and key out''' until you disconnect the relay earth, so careful how you use this. Once you stop earthing the relay(s) normal ECU/ECT fan logic will resume.


	On the basis that I dont want to kill both fans with too much high speed running I have stuck with plan (B) to override fan 2 only and ran a wire from the Blue/Yellow connection to an SPST switch on the dash connected to earth and life is good.		On the basis that I dont want to kill both fans with too much high speed running I have stuck with plan (B) to override fan 2 only and ran a wire from the Blue/Yellow connection to an SPST switch on the dash connected to earth and life is good.

			[[Category:Cooling]]
			[[Category:Radiator]]
			[[Category:Lotus Elise]]
			[[Category:S2]]
			[[Category:DIY]]

hbaumhardt: Radiator Fan Manual Switch S2

2011-01-28T10:43:36Z

Radiator Fan Manual Switch S2

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For short roof K Series S2s fitted with later Bergstrom HVAC systems (without A/C fitted) and 2 radiator fans.

Standard ECU/ECT logic is for both rad fans come on at low power (run in series) at 103C and off at 98C and switch to high power (run in parallel) at 108C. Bouncing between 98 and 103 leaves a lot of heat to soak after a track session and the coolent really wants to be 85 before shutdown.

The radiator fans are run from the A/C Control Module (Rover YWB100800 Lotus A117M0038F) located on the right front wheel arch liner and accessible through the service panel with the water guard removed.

[img=318x306]http://gallery.seloc.org/albums/userpics/24232/S2_Rad_Fan_Control_Pins.jpg[/img]

NOTE: Since I can’t find a specific wiring diagram those pins are based on the North American 111R manual and observed behaviour, so may contain errors but no nuts.

You may have some relays in the relay box (C and D) listed as radiator fans, but the fans will run without them fitted only generating some Fan relay OBD codes;

P1400 S2 Fan 1 Relay Short

P1401 S2 Fan 1 Relay Open

P1402 S2 Fan 2 Relay Short [unverified]

P1403 S2 Fan 2 Relay Open [unverified]

Rather than hack the loom I made up a harness using male and female 6 way econoseal connectors and tapped wires for earthing the 2-2 and 2-3 relay pins to see what happens.

[img=402x266]http://gallery.seloc.org/albums/userpics/24232/S2_Rad_fan_harness_1.JPG[/img]

Quick test that everything is working OK is start the engine and pop the ECT sensor connector off – both fans run high. Reset and restart from cold idle;

A. Earthing pin 2-2 (Blue/Silver wire) at any temp runs fans 1&2 on low power with no OBD codes

B1. Earthing Pin 2-3 (Blue/Yellow wire) below 103C runs Fan 2 on high and generates an OBD code [i]“1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short"[/i] and is probably the ECU complaining about it running without telling it to.

B1. Earthing Pin 2-3 (Blue/Yellow wire) above 103C (when the ECU is running Fans 1&2 low) runs fan 1&2 on high and generates an OBD code [i]“1402 Coolant fan relay 2 short"[/i] as above, just the ECU complaining.

C. Earthing pins 2-2 and 2-3 at any temp runs Fans 1&2 high but generates OBD code [i]“1400 Coolant fan relay 1 short”[/i] as above, just the ECU complaining.

In all cases the current draw on the earth wire is less than 0.4a as it is only energising the relays. Also when the relays are earthed the fan(s) will keep running with the ignition off and key out until you disconnect the relay earth, so careful how you use this. Once you stop earthing the relay(s) normal ECU/ECT fan logic will resume.

On the basis that I dont want to kill both fans with too much high speed running I have stuck with plan (B) to override fan 2 only and ran a wire from the Blue/Yellow connection to an SPST switch on the dash connected to earth and life is good.