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[[Image:Standard oem radiator.jpg|thumb|left|Standard OEM radiator with plastic end tanks]]
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The standard OEM Elise radiator is another weak point in the cooling system.  Although it is lightweight, it has plastic end tanks which are prone to expanding and leaking under pressure.
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[[Image:Oem rad end tank leak.jpg|thumb|right|Drivers side plastic end tank leaking under pressure]]
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The standard OEM Elise radiator is another weak point in the cooling system.  Although it is lightweight, it has plastic end tanks which are prone to expanding and leaking under pressure (possible manufacture problem where the main core is bonded to the top/bottom - but no reference).  This is the most common fault and the first signs of failure are drops of coolant on the windscreen, either drivers or passengers side, but catastrophic failure of the end tanks has been known.
  
 
Unfortunately you need to [[Remove the front clamshell|Remove S2 front clamshell]] before you can [[replace the radiator & cooling fans|replace the radiator]].
 
Unfortunately you need to [[Remove the front clamshell|Remove S2 front clamshell]] before you can [[replace the radiator & cooling fans|replace the radiator]].
  
 
A upgraded radiator is pretty advisable when going for Honda/Audi/Duratec engine upgrades.  Most converted cars on the original radiators seem to blow them up pretty soon after conversion.
 
A upgraded radiator is pretty advisable when going for Honda/Audi/Duratec engine upgrades.  Most converted cars on the original radiators seem to blow them up pretty soon after conversion.
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==Leaks==
 
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[[Image:Oem rad end tank leak.jpg|thumb|left|Drivers side end tank leaking under pressure]]
 
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The most common fault with the OEM radiator is cracking/spliting of the plastic end tanks.  The first signs of failure are drops of coolent on the windscreen, either drivers or passengers side, but castrophic failure of the end tanks has been known.
 
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Quite often the passenger side hose is poorly connected (because it is difficult to do) and sometimes the bleed screw can leak.
 
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The OEM radiators seem to have a problem with their manufacture where the main core is bonded to the top/bottom and leaks are all too common.
 
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===Indication of HGF===
 
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Its been suggested in the past that a blown radiator can indicate imminent HGF.  The header tank cap is normally the first to vent when the system is pressurised since it only requires approximately 1 bar.  The radiator is designed to operate at pressures a lot higher than this and the cap acts as a fuse.  However, the header tank is on the lowest pressure point of the circuit and this allows high pressure peaks on the high pressure side (which is from the engine to the rad).  '''need more thought here'''
 
  
 
==Aftermarket Upgrades==
 
==Aftermarket Upgrades==
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There are basically three options available when it comes to after market radiators that will fit an Elise/Exige.  All three are 'all aluminium' and none have the dreaded plastic end tanks.  There appears to be only two manufacturers that are making these radiators.  The 42mm single row is made by ??? and the 45mm twin row in single and triple pass is made by [[Pro Alloy]].  All on-line retailers sell the same radiators, they just badge them with different names to confuse you.  Hopefully the following table will help when making your choice for purchase:
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There are basically three options available when it comes to after market radiators that will fit an Elise/Exige.  All three are 'all aluminium' and none have the dreaded plastic end tanks.  There appears to be only two manufacturers that are making these radiators.  The 42mm single row is made by ??? and the 45mm twin row single pass is made by [[Pro Alloy]].  All on-line retailers sell the same radiators, they just badge them with different names to confuse you.  Hopefully the following table will help when making your choice for purchase:
  
 
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!42mm Core/Single Row<br>Manufactured by ???
 
!42mm Core/Single Row<br>Manufactured by ???
 
!45mm Core/Twin Row<br>Manufactured by Pro Alloy
 
!45mm Core/Twin Row<br>Manufactured by Pro Alloy
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!45mm Core/Twin Row/Triple Pass<br>Manufactured by Pro Alloy
 
 
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|[http://www.eliseparts.com/ Eliseparts]
 
|[http://www.eliseparts.com/ Eliseparts]
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|Not available
 
|Not available
 
|[http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/84/224/aluminium-upgraded-radiator/ ALUMINIUM UPGRADED RADIATOR]
 
|[http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/84/224/aluminium-upgraded-radiator/ ALUMINIUM UPGRADED RADIATOR]
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|[http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/84/1190/triple-pass-radiator/ TRIPLE PASS RADIATOR]
 
 
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|[http://www.elise-shop.com/ Eliseshop]
 
|[http://www.elise-shop.com/ Eliseshop]
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|[http://www.elise-shop.com/aluminium-high-pressure-extra-capacity-radiator-all-models-p-345.html Aluminium High Pressure extra capacity Radiator]
 
|[http://www.elise-shop.com/aluminium-high-pressure-extra-capacity-radiator-all-models-p-345.html Aluminium High Pressure extra capacity Radiator]
 
|[http://www.elise-shop.com/pro-alloy-full-aluminium-race-radiator-elise-exige-vx220-p-961.html Pro Alloy Full Aluminium Race Radiator]
 
|[http://www.elise-shop.com/pro-alloy-full-aluminium-race-radiator-elise-exige-vx220-p-961.html Pro Alloy Full Aluminium Race Radiator]
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|Not available
 
 
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|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/ Pro Alloy]
 
|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/ Pro Alloy]
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|Not applicable
 
|Not applicable
 
|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=52_921_62_178&p=207&id=proalloy Alloy Race Radiator]
 
|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=52_921_62_178&p=207&id=proalloy Alloy Race Radiator]
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|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=52_921_62_178&p=895&id=proalloy 3 Pass Race Radiator]
 
 
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|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/ Hangar 111]
 
|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/ Hangar 111]
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|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/204-2-eleven-elise-exige-340r-parts-alloy-radiator-standard-replacement.html PERFORMANCE RADIATOR - 42MM CORE]
 
|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/204-2-eleven-elise-exige-340r-parts-alloy-radiator-standard-replacement.html PERFORMANCE RADIATOR - 42MM CORE]
 
|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/205-elise-exige-alloy-radiator-uprated-twin-core.html TRACK DAY/MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM CORE]
 
|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/205-elise-exige-alloy-radiator-uprated-twin-core.html TRACK DAY/MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM CORE]
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|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/571-elise-exige-2-eleven-triple-pass-alloy-radiator.html TRIPLE-PASS MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM TWIN ROW]
 
 
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/ Seriously Lotus]
 
|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/ Seriously Lotus]
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/radiator-high-pressure-32mm Radiator High Pressure 32mm]
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|[https://www.seriouslylotus.com/radiator-high-pressure-32mm High Pressure 32mm]
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/radiator-high-pressure-42mm Radiator High Pressure 42mm]
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|[https://www.seriouslylotus.com/radiator-high-pressure-42mm Radiator High Pressure 42mm]
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|[https://www.seriouslylotus.com/pro-alloy-radiator-single-pass-45mm Pro-Alloy Radiator Single Pass 45mm]
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/pro-alloy-triple-pass-radiator Pro-Alloy Radiator Triple Pass 45mm]
 
 
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Seriously Lotus appear to be the only on-line retailer that sells anything remotely different.  For example they have 50mm two row triple pass, 32mm one row single pass, 42mm one row triple pass.  See website for details.  Elise-shop don't do the Pro-Alloy triple pass. They have a 42mm (single or double?) row triple pass instead.
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The radiator fitted by Lotus with the plastic end caps is a 32mm single core, single pass, manufactured by [http://www.pmagroup.co.uk/branches.php PMA Group].  The direct replacement for this radiator, maintaining the same coolant volume in the system, is in column one.  Columns two and three offer greater capacity.  Other variations are available but the above three will cater for 99.9% of people on road and trackdays.
  
 
The following video will help you understand some of the terms used in radiator speak, like twin rows, dual cores, triple pass etc:
 
The following video will help you understand some of the terms used in radiator speak, like twin rows, dual cores, triple pass etc:
 
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldfuzy_JJUo
 
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldfuzy_JJUo
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For comparison the OEM radiator is a 32mm single core, single pass.  The triple pass radiators are only intended for motorsports and are not recommended for road use.
 
  
 
<gallery>
 
<gallery>
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Image:Standard oem radiator.jpg|Standard OEM 32mm core, single row, single pass, with plastic end tanks
 
Image:All aluminium hi pressure radiator.jpg|32mm core, single row, single pass
 
Image:All aluminium hi pressure radiator.jpg|32mm core, single row, single pass
 
Image:ep_32_1row.jpg|Failing 32mm core, single row, single pass
 
Image:ep_32_1row.jpg|Failing 32mm core, single row, single pass
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Image:Standard oem radiator.jpg|Standard OEM 32mm core, single row, single pass, with plastic end tanks
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Image:es_42_srsp.jpg|42mm core, single row, single pass
 
Image:pro_alloy_45_2row.jpg|Pro Alloy 45mm core, twin rwo, single pass
 
Image:pro_alloy_45_2row.jpg|Pro Alloy 45mm core, twin rwo, single pass
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Image:pro_alloy_45_2row_3pass.jpg|Pro Alloy 45mm core, twin row, triple pass
 
 
</gallery>
 
</gallery>
  
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===Triple Pass===
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The triple pass radiators are only intended for motorsports and are '''not recommended for road use'''.  The reason being there is not enough coolant flow at idle (sitting in traffic) to force the coolant through three passes of the radiator.  Road users who have fitted triple-pass radiators have resulted in increased engine temps.  This advice holds for heavy trackday heros that drive their cars to/from circuit; the car is still liable to be stationary in traffic.
  
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!Manufacture
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!Retailer(s)
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|ProAlloy
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|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=&p=895&id=proalloy 42mm Core / Single Row / Triple Pass]
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|[http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/84/1190/triple-pass-radiator/ EliseParts] <br> [http://www.elise-shop.com/aluminium-triple-pass-race-radiator-all-models-p-354077.html Elise Shop] <br> [https://www.seriouslylotus.com/radiator-tripple-pass-42mm Seriously Lotus]
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|ProAlloy
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|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=&p=895&id=proalloy 45mm Core / Twin Row / Triple Pass]
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|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/571-elise-exige-2-eleven-triple-pass-alloy-radiator.html Hangar111] <br> [http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/84/1190/triple-pass-radiator/ Elise Parts] <br> [http://www.seriouslylotus.com/pro-alloy-triple-pass-radiator Seriously Lotus]
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|Unknown
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|50mm Core / Twin Row / Triple Pass
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/triple-pass-twin-core-50mm-race-radiator Seriously Lotus]
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|Koyorad Racing
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|[http://koyoradracing.com/news.asp?m=8&y=2016 48mm Core / Twin Row / Triple Pass <br> P/N# HH652890N]
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|[https://www.amazon.com/Koyorad-HH652890N-Radiator-for-Lotus/dp/B01KIC7M6Y Amazon] <br> [http://www.optionsauto.com/products.asp?dept=14600 Options Auto]
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|Denso F1(bespoke)
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|27mm Core / unknown / unknown
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|[http://www.blackwatchracing.com/product-p/1215.htm Blackwatch Racing]
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|21 fins / inch, .25 tube spacing, 2.5lbs empty
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"bespoke" denotes limited supply radiators specially created by race shops / tuners for high-performance cooling
  
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[http://www.proalloy.co.uk Pro Alloy] is run by SELOC member [http://forums.seloc.org/member.php?action=viewpro&member=wazzer Wayne Clayden].
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==Indication of HGF==
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Its been suggested in the past that a blown radiator can indicate imminent HGF.  The header tank cap is normally the first to vent when the system is pressurised since it only requires approximately 1 bar. The radiator is designed to operate at pressures a lot higher than this and the cap acts as a fuse. However, the header tank is on the lowest pressure point of the circuit and this allows high pressure peaks on the high pressure side (which is from the engine to the rad). Therefore it would be prudent to have a petrochemical test (sniff test) performed on the coolant fluid if the radiator fails to rule out possible HGF.
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==OEM Radiator==
 
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The original equipment manufacturer was PMA Group.  Typically the plastic endcaps can be expected to be good for 3 years
 
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http://www.pmagroup.co.uk/branches.php
 
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[[Category:Engine Cooling]]
 
[[Category:Engine Cooling]]

Latest revision as of 22:11, 5 February 2017

Standard OEM radiator with plastic end tanks
Drivers side plastic end tank leaking under pressure

The standard OEM Elise radiator is another weak point in the cooling system. Although it is lightweight, it has plastic end tanks which are prone to expanding and leaking under pressure (possible manufacture problem where the main core is bonded to the top/bottom - but no reference). This is the most common fault and the first signs of failure are drops of coolant on the windscreen, either drivers or passengers side, but catastrophic failure of the end tanks has been known.

Unfortunately you need to Remove S2 front clamshell before you can replace the radiator.

A upgraded radiator is pretty advisable when going for Honda/Audi/Duratec engine upgrades. Most converted cars on the original radiators seem to blow them up pretty soon after conversion.

Aftermarket Upgrades

There are basically three options available when it comes to after market radiators that will fit an Elise/Exige. All three are 'all aluminium' and none have the dreaded plastic end tanks. There appears to be only two manufacturers that are making these radiators. The 42mm single row is made by ??? and the 45mm twin row single pass is made by Pro Alloy. All on-line retailers sell the same radiators, they just badge them with different names to confuse you. Hopefully the following table will help when making your choice for purchase:

On-line
Retailer 		32mm Core/Single Row
Manufactured by ??? 		42mm Core/Single Row
Manufactured by ??? 		45mm Core/Twin Row
Manufactured by Pro Alloy
Eliseparts ALUMINIUM HIGH PRESSURE RADIATOR Not available ALUMINIUM UPGRADED RADIATOR
Eliseshop Not available Aluminium High Pressure extra capacity Radiator Pro Alloy Full Aluminium Race Radiator
Pro Alloy Not applicable Not applicable Alloy Race Radiator
Hangar 111 Not available PERFORMANCE RADIATOR - 42MM CORE TRACK DAY/MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM CORE
Seriously Lotus High Pressure 32mm Radiator High Pressure 42mm Pro-Alloy Radiator Single Pass 45mm

The radiator fitted by Lotus with the plastic end caps is a 32mm single core, single pass, manufactured by PMA Group. The direct replacement for this radiator, maintaining the same coolant volume in the system, is in column one. Columns two and three offer greater capacity. Other variations are available but the above three will cater for 99.9% of people on road and trackdays.

The following video will help you understand some of the terms used in radiator speak, like twin rows, dual cores, triple pass etc:

  • Standard OEM 32mm core, single row, single pass, with plastic end tanks

  • 32mm core, single row, single pass

  • Failing 32mm core, single row, single pass

  • 42mm core, single row, single pass

  • Pro Alloy 45mm core, twin rwo, single pass

Triple Pass

The triple pass radiators are only intended for motorsports and are not recommended for road use. The reason being there is not enough coolant flow at idle (sitting in traffic) to force the coolant through three passes of the radiator. Road users who have fitted triple-pass radiators have resulted in increased engine temps. This advice holds for heavy trackday heros that drive their cars to/from circuit; the car is still liable to be stationary in traffic.

Manufacture Model Retailer(s) Notes
ProAlloy 42mm Core / Single Row / Triple Pass EliseParts
Elise Shop
Seriously Lotus
ProAlloy 45mm Core / Twin Row / Triple Pass Hangar111
Elise Parts
Seriously Lotus
Unknown 50mm Core / Twin Row / Triple Pass Seriously Lotus
Koyorad Racing 48mm Core / Twin Row / Triple Pass
P/N# HH652890N 		Amazon
Options Auto
Denso F1(bespoke) 27mm Core / unknown / unknown Blackwatch Racing 21 fins / inch, .25 tube spacing, 2.5lbs empty

"bespoke" denotes limited supply radiators specially created by race shops / tuners for high-performance cooling

Indication of HGF

Its been suggested in the past that a blown radiator can indicate imminent HGF. The header tank cap is normally the first to vent when the system is pressurised since it only requires approximately 1 bar. The radiator is designed to operate at pressures a lot higher than this and the cap acts as a fuse. However, the header tank is on the lowest pressure point of the circuit and this allows high pressure peaks on the high pressure side (which is from the engine to the rad). Therefore it would be prudent to have a petrochemical test (sniff test) performed on the coolant fluid if the radiator fails to rule out possible HGF.

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