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Being a budget class A racer and having forked out lots of £45s to the local Hunter place, following some questionable results recently I want to be able to mess around with the geo (camber and toe) myself so built a rig for £5.98 (normal price £19.98).
 
Being a budget class A racer and having forked out lots of £45s to the local Hunter place, following some questionable results recently I want to be able to mess around with the geo (camber and toe) myself so built a rig for £5.98 (normal price £19.98).
  
Note that you kind of need to know about suspension settings and what you are doing on an Elise, this is not a “zero to geo hero” guide. See see:[[Geo Setups]] for standard settings.
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Note that whilst this is mechanically fairly straightforward you kind of need to understand suspension settings and what you are doing on an Elise, this is not a comprehensive “zero to geo hero” guide. See see:[[Geo Setups]] for standard settings.
  
  
 
[[Image: Geo_rig_small.jpg]]
 
[[Image: Geo_rig_small.jpg]]
  
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== Parts ==
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{| class="wikitable"
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! style="font-weight: bold;" | Part
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! style="font-weight: bold;" | URL
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! style="font-weight: bold;" | Cost
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|-
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| Depth Gauge
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| https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01NBN8NA4
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| £6.70
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|-
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| Fishing Wire
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| https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00M0HRMS4
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| £2.99
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|-
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| Poles 19mm x2
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| http://www.homebase.co.uk/en/homebaseuk/rothley-steel-tube---chrome-plated---19mm-x-244m-169523
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| £14.00
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|-
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| Pipe Insulation
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| http://www.homebase.co.uk/en/homebaseuk/pipe-insulation---15mm---5-pack-699821
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| £3.79
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|-
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|
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| '''Total
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| '''£27.48
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|}
  
 
== Preparation ==  
 
== Preparation ==  
  
The car needs to be on level(ish) ground, centre the steering wheel, load up the cabin to usual racing/driving around weight and hot tyre pressures.
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The car needs to be on level(ish) ground, centre the steering wheel, hot tyre pressures and load up the cabin to usual racing/driving around weight. Infact having the right ballast in the seats is critical e.g. for a 780Kg race Elise the difference between empty and an 85Kg driver can be 5mm ride height, 0.2° camber and 1mm toe.
 
 
 
 
  
 
== Measuring Toe ==  
 
== Measuring Toe ==  
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5. Run string through the holes; big knot in one end and tie off the other, make sure it passes near the wheel centers.
 
5. Run string through the holes; big knot in one end and tie off the other, make sure it passes near the wheel centers.
  
6. Measure from the centre of each wheel and adjust the string until its parallel side to side for fine alignment.
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6. Measure from the centre of each wheel and adjust the string until its parallel side to side for fine alignment. That is the same distance from the wheel centre to the string on each side of an axle.
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7. Use a ruler to measure mm distance from front and rear of rim to string and subtract rear from front for the TOE_IN_MM (minus value is toe OUT, positive value is toe IN).
  
7. Use a ruler to measure mm distance from front and rear of rim to string and subtract front from rear for the TOE_IN_MM (minus is OUT plus is IN).
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8. If your want toe in degrees then convert using Excel =DEGREES( ASIN( TOE_IN_MM / ( RIM_DIA_INCHES * 25.4 )))
  
8. If your want toe in degrees then convert using Excel =DEGREES( ASIN( TOE_IN_MM / ( RIM_DIA_INCHES * 25.4 ) ) )
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9. Online Calculator and setup Sheet on Google Docs, save to your machine to edit https://goo.gl/f6tJ8l
  
 
== Measuring Camber ==  
 
== Measuring Camber ==  
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2. Measure distance from top & bottom of the rim to the plumb line string and subtract top from bottom for CAMBER_IN_MM. (minus is GOOD)
 
2. Measure distance from top & bottom of the rim to the plumb line string and subtract top from bottom for CAMBER_IN_MM. (minus is GOOD)
  
3.Calculate camber in degrees using Excel =DEGREES( ATAN ( CAMBER_IN_MM / ( RIM_DIA_INCHES*25.4 ) ) )
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3.Calculate camber in degrees using Excel =DEGREES( ATAN( CAMBER_IN_MM / ( RIM_DIA_INCHES * 25.4 )))
  
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4. Online Calculator and setup Sheet on Google Docs, save to your machine to edit https://goo.gl/f6tJ8l
  
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== Measuring Castor ==
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CBA
  
 
== Accuracy ==
 
== Accuracy ==
  
A minus B is TOE_IN_MM
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A minus B is TOE_IN_MM (Minus is toe OUT plus is toe IN)
  
D minus C is CAMBER_IN_MM
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D minus C is CAMBER_IN_MM (You want an negative number)
  
Either use RIM_DIA_INCHES*25.4 or take the MM measurement of the diameter you are measuring from A to B and C to D
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Either use RIM_DIA_INCHES*25.4 or take the actual MM measurement of the diameter you are measuring from A to B and C to D
  
 
Reading the markings on the ruler seems to be the limit on accuracy - around plus/minus 0.5mm on each measure which is 0.07° in toe or camber so worst case compound error gives plus/minus 0.14° on each setting.
 
Reading the markings on the ruler seems to be the limit on accuracy - around plus/minus 0.5mm on each measure which is 0.07° in toe or camber so worst case compound error gives plus/minus 0.14° on each setting.
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[[Image: Geo_measures.jpg]]
 
[[Image: Geo_measures.jpg]]
 
 
  
 
== Adjusting Camber ==
 
== Adjusting Camber ==
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''' Whilst your there, don’t forget to check or change the rear plinth bolts to A117W7212F 10.9 grade '''
 
''' Whilst your there, don’t forget to check or change the rear plinth bolts to A117W7212F 10.9 grade '''
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== Adjusting Castor ==
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CBA - see the service manual for HOW TO
  
 
== Adjusting Toe ==
 
== Adjusting Toe ==
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4. Loosen front TRE locknuts and rear toe-link locknuts
 
4. Loosen front TRE locknuts and rear toe-link locknuts
  
5. Take toe measurements, adjust and measure again repeatedly (see the service manual for HOW TO)
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5. Measure changes from the rear (thats whats moving), adjust and measure again repeatedly (see the service manual for HOW TO)
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6. After getting the front toe perfect, when you tighten the locknuts you can alter the toe by a mm so be prepared to measure and redo a couple of times if you want perfection.
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== Get a good reading of measurements ==
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Right now (4-4-2015) I'm aligning my Elise S2. First I wend with a piece of cord but found that it is to thick to get an accurate measurement. Then I switch to fishing line (0,1mm) and you get a perfect reading from a normal ruler! Readings of 0,1 mm are possible.
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== DIY turn tables ==
  
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When adjusting toe the wheel has to able to rotate around its vertical axis. After adjustment you can role the car a bit so it will settle. Another option is to use some blocks of MDF to get the car a little higher and put in between the two blocks a plastic bag with grease. Now to wheels can rotate very easily and you have more space to work on the setup.
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[[File:20150402 164843.jpg]]
  
 
[[Category:Suspension]]
 
[[Category:Suspension]]
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[[Category:S1]]
 
[[Category:S1]]
 
[[Category:S2]]
 
[[Category:S2]]
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[[Category:S2 Exige]]
 
[[Category:DIY]]
 
[[Category:DIY]]

Latest revision as of 00:13, 6 March 2017

Intro

Being a budget class A racer and having forked out lots of £45s to the local Hunter place, following some questionable results recently I want to be able to mess around with the geo (camber and toe) myself so built a rig for £5.98 (normal price £19.98).

Note that whilst this is mechanically fairly straightforward you kind of need to understand suspension settings and what you are doing on an Elise, this is not a comprehensive “zero to geo hero” guide. See see:Geo Setups for standard settings.


Geo rig small.jpg

Parts

Part URL Cost
Depth Gauge https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01NBN8NA4 £6.70
Fishing Wire https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00M0HRMS4 £2.99
Poles 19mm x2 http://www.homebase.co.uk/en/homebaseuk/rothley-steel-tube---chrome-plated---19mm-x-244m-169523 £14.00
Pipe Insulation http://www.homebase.co.uk/en/homebaseuk/pipe-insulation---15mm---5-pack-699821 £3.79
Total £27.48

Preparation

The car needs to be on level(ish) ground, centre the steering wheel, hot tyre pressures and load up the cabin to usual racing/driving around weight. Infact having the right ballast in the seats is critical e.g. for a 780Kg race Elise the difference between empty and an 85Kg driver can be 5mm ride height, 0.2° camber and 1mm toe.

Measuring Toe

1. Homebase for two bits of 2400mm rigid aluminum (16mm ally channel as they don’t to tubes, but I’ll call them “poles” for now) and 10m of nylon cord or fishing line.

2. The rear track of the S2 Elise is 1700mm and to allow for bodywork and working space cut the poles to 2000mm, mark the centre and drill a 4mm hole 900mm each side from the centre on each pole.

3. Find the centre of the car measure from the wheel track and mark up (front towing post is near-ish.) with tape for coarse alignment.

4. Tape the poles to the front and back of the car aligning centre marks (spirit level to avoid droopidge).

5. Run string through the holes; big knot in one end and tie off the other, make sure it passes near the wheel centers.

6. Measure from the centre of each wheel and adjust the string until its parallel side to side for fine alignment. That is the same distance from the wheel centre to the string on each side of an axle.

7. Use a ruler to measure mm distance from front and rear of rim to string and subtract rear from front for the TOE_IN_MM (minus value is toe OUT, positive value is toe IN).

8. If your want toe in degrees then convert using Excel =DEGREES( ASIN( TOE_IN_MM / ( RIM_DIA_INCHES * 25.4 )))

9. Online Calculator and setup Sheet on Google Docs, save to your machine to edit https://goo.gl/f6tJ8l

Measuring Camber

1. To measure camber I made a plumb line out of stuff lying around (net curtain rail, string, iron weight) and taped the rail across the car to give me something to hang the plumb from.

2. Measure distance from top & bottom of the rim to the plumb line string and subtract top from bottom for CAMBER_IN_MM. (minus is GOOD)

3.Calculate camber in degrees using Excel =DEGREES( ATAN( CAMBER_IN_MM / ( RIM_DIA_INCHES * 25.4 )))

4. Online Calculator and setup Sheet on Google Docs, save to your machine to edit https://goo.gl/f6tJ8l

Measuring Castor

CBA

Accuracy

A minus B is TOE_IN_MM (Minus is toe OUT plus is toe IN)

D minus C is CAMBER_IN_MM (You want an negative number)

Either use RIM_DIA_INCHES*25.4 or take the actual MM measurement of the diameter you are measuring from A to B and C to D

Reading the markings on the ruler seems to be the limit on accuracy - around plus/minus 0.5mm on each measure which is 0.07° in toe or camber so worst case compound error gives plus/minus 0.14° on each setting.


Geo measures.jpg

Adjusting Camber

Once you have the plumbline measure you don’t need the string any more (and the wheel needs to come off) as each 1mm camber shim is 0.25 degree front and 0.30 degree on the back - just add or remove the number of shims from the measurement to get what you want (see the service manual for HOW TO).

Whilst your there, don’t forget to check or change the rear plinth bolts to A117W7212F 10.9 grade

Adjusting Castor

CBA - see the service manual for HOW TO

Adjusting Toe

1. Jack the car onto 4 even blocks of wood for working room (front of an S2 with low ride height)

2. Rear diffuser/under-tray off

3. Secure the steering wheel with a strap

4. Loosen front TRE locknuts and rear toe-link locknuts

5. Measure changes from the rear (thats whats moving), adjust and measure again repeatedly (see the service manual for HOW TO)

6. After getting the front toe perfect, when you tighten the locknuts you can alter the toe by a mm so be prepared to measure and redo a couple of times if you want perfection.

Get a good reading of measurements

Right now (4-4-2015) I'm aligning my Elise S2. First I wend with a piece of cord but found that it is to thick to get an accurate measurement. Then I switch to fishing line (0,1mm) and you get a perfect reading from a normal ruler! Readings of 0,1 mm are possible.

DIY turn tables

When adjusting toe the wheel has to able to rotate around its vertical axis. After adjustment you can role the car a bit so it will settle. Another option is to use some blocks of MDF to get the car a little higher and put in between the two blocks a plastic bag with grease. Now to wheels can rotate very easily and you have more space to work on the setup. 20150402 164843.jpg