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==Aftermarket Upgrades==
 
==Aftermarket Upgrades==
There are basically three options available when it comes to after market radiators that will fit an Elise/Exige.  All three are 'all aluminium' and none have the dreaded plastic end tanks.  There appears to be only two manufacturers that are making these radiators.  The 42mm single row is made by ??? and the 45mm twin row in single and triple pass is made by [[Pro Alloy]].  All on-line retailers sell the same radiators, they just badge them with different names to confuse you.  Hopefully the following table will help when making your choice for purchase:
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There are basically three options available when it comes to after market radiators that will fit an Elise/Exige.  All three are 'all aluminium' and none have the dreaded plastic end tanks.  There appears to be only two manufacturers that are making these radiators.  The 42mm single row is made by ??? and the 45mm twin row single pass is made by [[Pro Alloy]].  All on-line retailers sell the same radiators, they just badge them with different names to confuse you.  Hopefully the following table will help when making your choice for purchase:
  
 
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!42mm Core/Single Row<br>Manufactured by ???
 
!42mm Core/Single Row<br>Manufactured by ???
 
!45mm Core/Twin Row<br>Manufactured by Pro Alloy
 
!45mm Core/Twin Row<br>Manufactured by Pro Alloy
!45mm Core/Twin Row/Triple Pass<br>Manufactured by Pro Alloy
 
 
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|[http://www.eliseparts.com/ Eliseparts]
 
|[http://www.eliseparts.com/ Eliseparts]
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|Not available
 
|Not available
 
|[http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/84/224/aluminium-upgraded-radiator/ ALUMINIUM UPGRADED RADIATOR]
 
|[http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/84/224/aluminium-upgraded-radiator/ ALUMINIUM UPGRADED RADIATOR]
|[http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/84/1190/triple-pass-radiator/ TRIPLE PASS RADIATOR]
 
 
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|[http://www.elise-shop.com/ Eliseshop]
 
|[http://www.elise-shop.com/ Eliseshop]
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|[http://www.elise-shop.com/aluminium-high-pressure-extra-capacity-radiator-all-models-p-345.html Aluminium High Pressure extra capacity Radiator]
 
|[http://www.elise-shop.com/aluminium-high-pressure-extra-capacity-radiator-all-models-p-345.html Aluminium High Pressure extra capacity Radiator]
 
|[http://www.elise-shop.com/pro-alloy-full-aluminium-race-radiator-elise-exige-vx220-p-961.html Pro Alloy Full Aluminium Race Radiator]
 
|[http://www.elise-shop.com/pro-alloy-full-aluminium-race-radiator-elise-exige-vx220-p-961.html Pro Alloy Full Aluminium Race Radiator]
|Not available
 
 
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|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/ Pro Alloy]
 
|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/ Pro Alloy]
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|Not applicable
 
|Not applicable
 
|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=52_921_62_178&p=207&id=proalloy Alloy Race Radiator]
 
|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=52_921_62_178&p=207&id=proalloy Alloy Race Radiator]
|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=52_921_62_178&p=895&id=proalloy 3 Pass Race Radiator]
 
 
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|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/ Hangar 111]
 
|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/ Hangar 111]
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|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/204-2-eleven-elise-exige-340r-parts-alloy-radiator-standard-replacement.html PERFORMANCE RADIATOR - 42MM CORE]
 
|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/204-2-eleven-elise-exige-340r-parts-alloy-radiator-standard-replacement.html PERFORMANCE RADIATOR - 42MM CORE]
 
|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/205-elise-exige-alloy-radiator-uprated-twin-core.html TRACK DAY/MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM CORE]
 
|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/205-elise-exige-alloy-radiator-uprated-twin-core.html TRACK DAY/MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM CORE]
|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/571-elise-exige-2-eleven-triple-pass-alloy-radiator.html TRIPLE-PASS MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM TWIN ROW]
 
 
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/ Seriously Lotus]
 
|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/ Seriously Lotus]
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/radiator-high-pressure-42mm Radiator High Pressure 42mm]
 
|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/radiator-high-pressure-42mm Radiator High Pressure 42mm]
 
|Not available
 
|Not available
|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/pro-alloy-triple-pass-radiator Pro-Alloy Radiator Triple Pass 45mm]
 
 
|}
 
|}
  
Seriously Lotus appear to be the only on-line retailer that sells anything remotely differentFor example they have 50mm two row triple pass and 42mm one row triple passSee website for detailsElise-shop don't do the Pro-Alloy triple pass. They have a 42mm (single or double?) row triple pass instead.
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The radiator fitted by Lotus with the plastic end caps is a 32mm single core, single passThe direct replacement for this radiator, maintaining the same coolant volume in the system, is in column one.  Columns two and three offer greater capacityOther variations are available but the above three will cater for 99.9% of people on road and trackdays.
  
 
The following video will help you understand some of the terms used in radiator speak, like twin rows, dual cores, triple pass etc:
 
The following video will help you understand some of the terms used in radiator speak, like twin rows, dual cores, triple pass etc:
 
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldfuzy_JJUo
 
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldfuzy_JJUo
 
For comparison the OEM radiator is a 32mm single core, single pass.  The triple pass radiators are only intended for motorsports and are not recommended for road use.
 
  
 
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Image:Standard oem radiator.jpg|Standard OEM 32mm core, single row, single pass, with plastic end tanks
 
Image:Standard oem radiator.jpg|Standard OEM 32mm core, single row, single pass, with plastic end tanks
 
Image:pro_alloy_45_2row.jpg|Pro Alloy 45mm core, twin rwo, single pass
 
Image:pro_alloy_45_2row.jpg|Pro Alloy 45mm core, twin rwo, single pass
Image:pro_alloy_45_2row_3pass.jpg|Pro Alloy 45mm core, twin row, triple pass
 
 
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===Triple Pass===
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The triple pass radiators are only intended for motorsports and are '''not recommended for road use'''.  The reason being there is not enough coolant flow at idle (sitting in traffic) to force the coolant through three passes of the radiator.  Road users who have fitted triple-pass radiators have resulted in increased engine temps.  This advice holds for heavy trackday heros that drive their cars to/from circuit; the car is still liable to be stationary in traffic.
  
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!On-line<br>Retailer
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!42mm Core/Single Row/Triple Pass<br>Manufactured by ???
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!45mm Core/Twin Row/Triple Pass<br>Manufactured by Pro Alloy
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!50mm Core/Twin Row/Triple Pass<br>Manufactured by ???
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|[http://www.eliseparts.com/ Eliseparts]
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|Not available
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|[http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/84/1190/triple-pass-radiator/ TRIPLE PASS RADIATOR]
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|Not available
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|[http://www.elise-shop.com/ Eliseshop]
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|[http://www.elise-shop.com/aluminium-triple-pass-race-radiator-all-models-p-354077.html Aluminium Triple Pass RACE Radiator]
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|Not available
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|Not available
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|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/ Pro Alloy]
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|Not available
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|[http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=52_921_62_178&p=895&id=proalloy 3 Pass Race Radiator]
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|Not available
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|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/ Hangar 111]
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|Not available
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|[http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-engine-tuning-parts/571-elise-exige-2-eleven-triple-pass-alloy-radiator.html TRIPLE-PASS MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM TWIN ROW]
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|Not available
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/ Seriously Lotus]
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/radiator-tripple-pass-42mm Radiator Triple Pass 42mm]
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/pro-alloy-triple-pass-radiator Pro-Alloy Radiator Triple Pass 45mm]
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|[http://www.seriouslylotus.com/triple-pass-twin-core-50mm-race-radiator Triple Pass Twin Core 50mm Race Radiator]
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|}
  
[http://www.proalloy.co.uk Pro Alloy] is run by SELOC member [http://forums.seloc.org/member.php?action=viewpro&member=wazzer Wayne Clayden].
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Image:pro_alloy_45_2row_3pass.jpg|Pro Alloy 45mm core, twin row, triple pass
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</gallery>
  
 
==OEM Radiator==
 
==OEM Radiator==

Revision as of 13:25, 28 August 2014

Standard OEM radiator with plastic end tanks

The standard OEM Elise radiator is another weak point in the cooling system. Although it is lightweight, it has plastic end tanks which are prone to expanding and leaking under pressure.

Unfortunately you need to Remove S2 front clamshell before you can replace the radiator.

A upgraded radiator is pretty advisable when going for Honda/Audi/Duratec engine upgrades. Most converted cars on the original radiators seem to blow them up pretty soon after conversion.

Leaks

Drivers side end tank leaking under pressure

The most common fault with the OEM radiator is cracking/spliting of the plastic end tanks. The first signs of failure are drops of coolent on the windscreen, either drivers or passengers side, but castrophic failure of the end tanks has been known.

Quite often the passenger side hose is poorly connected (because it is difficult to do) and sometimes the bleed screw can leak.

The OEM radiators seem to have a problem with their manufacture where the main core is bonded to the top/bottom and leaks are all too common.

Indication of HGF

Its been suggested in the past that a blown radiator can indicate imminent HGF. The header tank cap is normally the first to vent when the system is pressurised since it only requires approximately 1 bar. The radiator is designed to operate at pressures a lot higher than this and the cap acts as a fuse. However, the header tank is on the lowest pressure point of the circuit and this allows high pressure peaks on the high pressure side (which is from the engine to the rad). Therefore it would be prudent to have a petrochemical test (sniff test) performed on the coolant fluid if the radiator fails to rule out possible HGF.

Aftermarket Upgrades

There are basically three options available when it comes to after market radiators that will fit an Elise/Exige. All three are 'all aluminium' and none have the dreaded plastic end tanks. There appears to be only two manufacturers that are making these radiators. The 42mm single row is made by ??? and the 45mm twin row single pass is made by Pro Alloy. All on-line retailers sell the same radiators, they just badge them with different names to confuse you. Hopefully the following table will help when making your choice for purchase:

On-line
Retailer
32mm Core/Single Row
Manufactured by ???
42mm Core/Single Row
Manufactured by ???
45mm Core/Twin Row
Manufactured by Pro Alloy
Eliseparts ALUMINIUM HIGH PRESSURE RADIATOR Not available ALUMINIUM UPGRADED RADIATOR
Eliseshop Not available Aluminium High Pressure extra capacity Radiator Pro Alloy Full Aluminium Race Radiator
Pro Alloy Not applicable Not applicable Alloy Race Radiator
Hangar 111 Not available PERFORMANCE RADIATOR - 42MM CORE TRACK DAY/MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM CORE
Seriously Lotus Radiator High Pressure 32mm Radiator High Pressure 42mm Not available

The radiator fitted by Lotus with the plastic end caps is a 32mm single core, single pass. The direct replacement for this radiator, maintaining the same coolant volume in the system, is in column one. Columns two and three offer greater capacity. Other variations are available but the above three will cater for 99.9% of people on road and trackdays.

The following video will help you understand some of the terms used in radiator speak, like twin rows, dual cores, triple pass etc:

Triple Pass

The triple pass radiators are only intended for motorsports and are not recommended for road use. The reason being there is not enough coolant flow at idle (sitting in traffic) to force the coolant through three passes of the radiator. Road users who have fitted triple-pass radiators have resulted in increased engine temps. This advice holds for heavy trackday heros that drive their cars to/from circuit; the car is still liable to be stationary in traffic.

On-line
Retailer
42mm Core/Single Row/Triple Pass
Manufactured by ???
45mm Core/Twin Row/Triple Pass
Manufactured by Pro Alloy
50mm Core/Twin Row/Triple Pass
Manufactured by ???
Eliseparts Not available TRIPLE PASS RADIATOR Not available
Eliseshop Aluminium Triple Pass RACE Radiator Not available Not available
Pro Alloy Not available 3 Pass Race Radiator Not available
Hangar 111 Not available TRIPLE-PASS MOTORSPORT RADIATOR - 45MM TWIN ROW Not available
Seriously Lotus Radiator Triple Pass 42mm Pro-Alloy Radiator Triple Pass 45mm Triple Pass Twin Core 50mm Race Radiator

OEM Radiator

The original equipment manufacturer was PMA Group. Typically the plastic endcaps can be expected to be good for 3 years

http://www.pmagroup.co.uk/branches.php